Nerd Lunch Podcast 6: Drill Down – Star Trek Generations and First Contact

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Nerd Lunch Podcast 6: Drill Down – Star Trek Generations and First Contact

Kirk digs toast!
Nerd Lunch contributor Cordy Stepp sits in with Jeeg, Pax, and CT for an examination of the first two Star Trek: TNG movies, Generations and First Contact. Shocking revelations are disclosed when CT declares that he doesn’t like First Contact, Pax admits to playing Data’s “life forms” song on his computer keyboard, Jeeg defends Alfre Woodard, and Cordy questions why Data hasn’t been “buttering everyone’s popcorn” for years. Plus the question of who likes Generations is finally answered (Here’s a hint: none of us).

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4 Comments

  1. Paxton February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Interesting. I will have to check out that fan edit.

    CT, Reese is actually my friend Jason Collier. Reese is his daughter.

    However, she is Jason's daughter, so she may actually have known about that fan edit.

  2. CT February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Reese, thanks for that link. I had not heard about that and will definitely have to check that out.

    In thinking about this episode further, we really could have spent the entire main topic time on picking apart Generations. We didn't even adequately cover all the problems there are with Kirk's death. I guess this just means more Trek talk to come in future episodes.

    Star Trek, particularly in NextGen, had delved quite a bit into time travel. It was a plot device that I thought was getting old by the time the movies came along. Although, there are some clever episodes that deal with time travel. And maybe that's where the Nexus goes really wrong. Episodes like "Cause & Effect" and "Timescape" are very clever time travel plots that still give a sense of drama and jeopardy. The Nexus was Voyager-clever.

    Again, I reiterate that this should have been a NextGen-only movie, but if they were going to do a crossover, there would have been so many better ways to do it. There should have been true commentary about the differences between the two captains and how they deal with problems. Picard turns into Kirk in these movies and stops being the Picard we knew and loved (or in some cases, didn't love) in the show. More than anything, that's where the movies went wrong and that contributes a lot to my problems with First Contact.

    I can accept the fact that Picard still struggles with these feelings he has about the Borg despite seemingly resolving them in the series. There are some things one just never gets over. I can't accept that Picard was the best choice for leading the charge out onto the deflector dish and is the only one who essentially comes away unscathed. Worf has more trouble than Picard? Come on. Nothing against Picard, but I don't buy it.

    Star Trek, at it's best, has always been more cerebral. Even the original series. This early episode of Kirk are more chess games than fisticuffs. Moving away from that and turning it into an action series takes away what makes it work best. And without spoiling a future discussion, that's what I love about Star Trek I and why I rank it so high on my list. It's probably the most "purely" Star Trek movie of all 11 that have been made.

  3. Reese Elizabeth Collier February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    check this out!

    http://fanedit.org/370/

  4. Jack February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Sack of wet buttholes, is it? Yeah, couldn't agree more, but for different reasons. I'm a lot older than you guys, and the TOS crew are my childhood friends, but I hate the way they were used in this movie. Do the first 20 minutes, establish the story, then die in the supernova, or go on to more adventures, but either way, STAY OUT OF TNG'S MOVIE! I don't think it so much that they felt that TNG couldn't stand on its own, but the ST franchise wasn't so diluted back then, and it was like a meeting of the Titans that they just couldn't resist.

    Yes, the Nexus was a huge problem, but the problem already existed. ST's easy familiarity with controllable time travel had already caused the problem before that ever came along. Once you can move back and forth through time, you are never again in jeopardy, as we all learned in Superman when Lois died, and he just went back in time and saved her before that happened. Time travel, alternate universes, alternate time lines, et al, these are things drama should stay away from, as it tends to kill the drama when you're never really in danger.

    Did you ever notice this difference between the two series: Kirk could almost be a pirate. His motivation for almost anything is, "Will this be fun?" He also has a penchant to attack something first, and if that fails, then he'll try to negotiate… With a pissed-off entity who now knows that Kirk can't defeat it (Metamorphosis will serve as a good enough example).

    TNG, on the other hand, I've heard Picard described as a social worker. I wouldn't go that far, but by this time, there is a "book" for spacefaring humans to follow, and while Picard certainly makes his own decisions, they are always in accord with the guidelines. You always have the feeling that, should anyone have the temerity to show this book to Kirk, he'd soon be wearing it as a buttock-spacer. That said, TNG on TV remains my favorite entry of the ST franchise.

    Finally, and once again, I just can't say enough negative about this jellycast site you're using. Once again, after I heard about 45 minutes of the podcast, it just stopped for no apparent reason, and the only option it offers is to start over. Sorry, that won't work right now, so I missed almost all of your First Contact discussion, and all of your conclusions. Great job on what I was able to hear, though. My only complaint is with your damned carrier (I'm a doctor, Jim, not an IT repairman!).

    Nice job, keep it coming!

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