Nerd Lunch Podcast 46: Drill Down – Star Trek Insurrection and Nemesis

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Nerd Lunch Podcast 46: Drill Down – Star Trek Insurrection and Nemesis

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We’re joined this week by Pax’s longtime buddy Dr. Mike for an in depth discussion and/or thrashing of Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis. Find out what we think of the HMS Pinafore, F. Murray Abraham, clones, B-4, and the infamous Enterprise bridge joystick. We also offer up suggestions on how these, er, gems could have been polished. In our Nerd To-Dos, we hear about an upcoming Dr. Who episode of Nerd Lunch, a can’t miss Ben & Jerry’s flavor, Pax’s mini-review of MIB 3, and the Dawn of the Jedi comic book.

By | 2017-05-06T15:36:09+00:00 July 18th, 2012|Categories: Podcast|Tags: , , , , , , , |7 Comments

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  1. Chrisloc1701 February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Finally finished the episode, great as always. Some more thoughts:

    – With 'Nemesis' they were really trying to recreate 'Wrath Of Khan' (Data dying: Spock dying, enemy out for vengeance Shinzon/Khan). Also the idea of a ship that can fire while cloaked was stolen from Star Trek VI. If they wanted to do a vengeance story why not simply have 'Lore' be reassembled by foolish star fleet techs, then he goes after Data, Picard & crew.

    – If they were going to go the Romulan route why not have it be a move about Spock's resistance movement. Bring Leonard Nimoy back, which he would have done with the right script as he proved with 2009's 'Star Trek'. Bring Sela and Tomalok back as the villains… it would have been awesome.

    – I did like Riker/Troi finally getting together, and even Riker shaving the beard was cool.

    Finally on a final note it retrospect it is sad that TNG only made 4 films and they were these 4 films. Overall the TNG films were forgettable when compared to the Original series cast's films. Again I lay huge blame for these films, and the state of the Trek franchise (up until 2009) on Rick Berman. Had someone else who actually cared and had a clue about Star Trek been in charge of the franchise it would be in a better state than it is now.

  2. Chrisloc1701 February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Sorry guys haven't had a chance to listen to this episode yet, was off on holidays last week. But a few thoughts:

    – I don't think 'Nemesis' was actually supposed to be the final TNG film. I think they were waiting to see if it was a box office success, then if all went well make another. But it did not go well…
    – I think they killed Data because Brent Spiner felt he was getting too old for the character… my simple solution: get Q in a movie and have him make Data human. snap of a finger and all is well.

    more thoughts to come for sure after I actually listen. Was hoping I could have participated on the next TNG movie discussion…:( but thats ok. Keep up the great work guys!

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  4. CT February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    I can't really recall what the rumors were about a fifth NextGen movie. If Nemesis had made Paramount satchels full of cash, then it wouldn't have been the last one. It just sort of feel like it's the end though with Data dying and Riker and Troi leaving the Enterprise. There was even a scene that was deleted that had Doctor Crusher leaving the Enterprise, too. So there seemed to be a finality to it, but who knows. Otherwise NextGen movie #5 would have had to get the band back together again for the first portion.

  5. Jack February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Yes, the last movie point really refutes anything else you can come up with, unless… Any chance they didn't know it was the end when they made it?

  6. CT February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    I totally meant to address the "Brent Spiner" got old thing on the show. In First Contact, Data had pieces of his android flesh removed which meant the actor had to wear metal pieces over his actual face. I thought that would have been the perfect way to obscure some of the aging but then Insurrection came along and he was back to normal.

    Still, the other reason I ask the "Why kill Data?" question is because they never made any more movies. So killing him does nothing to advance the plot of the remaining characters because there is no more plot to advance.

    Really, these movies should never have been made and the TV series ending should have been the ending. The characters continue on having adventures, we just don't know about them.

  7. Jack February 25, 2017 at 8:21 pm - Reply

    Why kill Data? This harkens back to your 'cast about When Real Life Ruins Stuff. You kill Data because father time was not kind to Brent Spiner, and androids don't age. You save his early series memories so that you can trot out any young actor and start over. Same deal, Real Life kind of ruined The Search for Spock, because all the time you're watching, you know that Nimoy left to be a big star, and when it didn't happen, they had to open a door to let him back in.

    Dr. Mike, you like to watch bad SF? Five words for you: Fire Maidens From Outer Space… That's all… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Maidens_from_Outer_Space

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